King Of England John ^2,3,5

   Another name for John was Lackland.

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Please find below a revised listing of the bastard children of King
John. The list has been augmented by many new references,
corrections, and additions since my last posting of this listing. The
new listing includes Philip "Fiz Le Rey" [i.e., Philip the king's
son] found in a 1263 Sussex fine as a possible bastard child of King
John.

Also, it appears there may be a link between Isabel, wife of Richard
Fitz Ives, and another royal bastard, Eudes Fitz Roy. I've learned
that in 1245, Isabel's son and heir, William Fitz Ives, sued Giles de
Chanceaux regarding property in Cornwall. This is surely the same man
who was granted Eudes Fitz Roy's properties in Essex on his death
without issue in 1242. The Fitz Ives and Chanceaux link deserves
further study.

Comments are invited.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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REVISED LISTING Of BASTARD CHILDREN Of KING JOHN Of England:

Legitimated child of John of England, by a mistress, Clemence _____:

i. JOAN Of England, married Llywelyn AP IORWERTH, Prince of North
Wales [see Wake 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, _____ de
Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey, by Isabel, daughter
and heiress of William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey [see Warrenne 2]:

i. RICHard FITZ ROY or DE Warrenne, Knt., Baron of Chilham, Kent,
married ROSE DE DOVER [see ATHOLL 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Hawise _____:

i. OLIVER FITZ ROY. He defended Wolvesey Castle for Peter des Roches,
Bishop of Winchester, in 1216. In 1217 he was granted the lands
formerly held by Peter Fitz Herbert to sustain him in the king's
service. In 1218 he arrived with other English knights at Damietta in
the company of Papal legate, Pelayo. He did not return. H.R. Luard,
Chronica Majora 3 1876: 40-41. C.P.R., 1216-1225 1901, pp.
42-43,92. S. Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp. 232-233. NEHGR
119 1965: 94-102. J.M. Powell, Anatomy of a Crusade 1986, pg.
235. N. Vincent, Peter des Roches 1996, pp. 71,175.

Illegitimate children of John of England, by an unknown mistress or
mistresses:

i. JOHN FITZ ROY, evidently a clerk, supported by the custodians of
the see of Lincoln in 1201. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1201 Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 14 1936, pp.
xix,192-193. S. Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp. 232-233.
NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102.

ii. GEOFFREY FITZ ROY. In 1204 he received a loan by the pledge of
William Longesp©be, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes. In 1205 he
led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. Curia Regis
Rolls 3 1926: 321 suit dated 1205: " ... quam diu predictus
Radulfus [de Trublevill] fuerit in servicio nostro in Pictavia cum
Gaufrido filio nostro". D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1204 Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 18 1940, pp.
xxxv-xxxvj,xlj,33,60,87,131. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1205 Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 19 1941, pp.
xviij-xix,19,79-80. S. Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp.
232-233. NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102.

iii. HENRY FITZ ROY, Knt., of Waltham, Ashby, Brigsley, Gonerby in
Hatcliffe, Hawerby, and North Coates, co. Lincoln, and Chilham, Kent.
He was sent as a student to the Prior of Kenilworth in 1207. In 1215
he was granted the lands of Robert Fitz Walter in Cornwall. In 1217
he and Ralph de Raleigh were granted the manor of Waltham, co. Lincoln
formerly held by Alan Fitz Count to sustain them in royal service. In
1231 he was granted all of the land of Henry de Avaugor, a Norman, in
Waltham, co. Lincoln. He married before 1236 EVE DE BLANCHMINSTER or
WHITCHURCH, widow of William de Champernoun living 1230, of
Umberleigh in Atherington and High Bickington, Devon, and daughter
and heiress of Reynold de Blanchminster or Whitchurch living 1248,
of Shrivenham and Winterbourne in Chieveley, co. Berks, and Bolney,
co. Oxford, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter and co-heiress of
Nicholas de Bolney. They had no issue. SIR HENRY FITZ ROY died
shortly before 8 Apr. 1245. His widow, Eve, married 3rd before 30
June 1252 Giles de Clifford living 1276. C.Ch.R. 1 1895: 137
styled "Henry the king's brother". J.L. Vivian, Visitations of the
County of Devon 1895, pp. 160. C.P.R., 1216-1225 1901, pp. 128,
574 "Henricus filius regis". C.C.R., 1227-1231 1902, pg. 51.
C.P.R., 1225-1232 1903, pp. 311 "Henricus frater regis", 357,441.
C.C.R., 1234-1237 1908, pg. 219 "Henrico fratri regis". Book of
Fees 1 1920: 362 "Henricus frater regis", 617 "Henricus filius
regis"; 2 1923: 660,675,1021 instances of "Henricus filius
Regis". C.P.R., 1232-1247 1906, pp. 20,296,450. C.C.R., 1237-1242
1911, pg. 511 "Henricum filium regis". VCH Berkshire 3 19??:
424; 4 1924: 63,513,533. C.C.R., 1251-1253 1927, pg. 116. S.
Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp. 232-233. C.P. 12 Pt. 2
1959: 645 sub Wilington. Curia Regis Rolls 13 1959: 138,215,283
"Henricus filius regis John", 290,364-365,371,514,542; 15 1972:
83,449 styled "Henricum filium le Rey". R.A. Brown, Memoranda Roll
for the Tenth Year of the Reign of King John 1207-8 Pipe Roll Soc.,
n.s., vol. 31 1957, pg. 137 Henry called "our son" [filio nostro]
by King John. NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102. B.R. Kemp, Reading Abbey
Cartularies 1 Camden, 4th ser., vol. 31 1986: 375. S.D. Church,
Household Knights of King John 1999, pg. 127.

iv. OSBERT GIFFORD, Knt. In 1215 he received the lands of Thomas de
Ardern in Oxfordshire. In 1216 he likewise received Ardern's lands in
Bundes, Norfolk, and elsewhere in Suffolk, Essex, and Sussex, and the
lands of Aumary Despenser, Roger Fitz Nicholas, and Ralph Bluet in
Oxfordshire. SIR OSBERT GIFFORD died in 1248. Ancestor 3 1902: 227
his arms: Ermine two bars gules, on a chief gules a leopard or.
Genealogist n.s. 28 1922: 128-129. S. Painter, Reign of King John
1949, pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102. T.D. Tremlett, Rolls
of Arms Henry III Harleian Soc. Pub., vols. 113-114 1967, pg. 47.

v. EUDES or IVES FITZ ROY, of Canewdon, Essex. In 1233 he was
granted lands in Aldbury, co. Hertford. He had an exchequer fee of
Ð20 granted to him in 1237. In the period, c. 122741, he witnessed a
charter for his brother, Richard, Earl of Cornwall, to Launceston
Priory in Cornwall. In 1240 he joined Earl Richard on a crusade to
the Holy Land. EUDES FITZ ROY died there testate shortly before 21
Jan. 12412. His lands in Essex were granted to Giles de Chanceaux in
1242. No known descendants. G. Oliver, Monasticon Diocesis
Exonienses 1846, pg. 23. C.C.R., 1231-1234 1905, pg. 210 "Eudoni
filio regis". C.P.R., 1232-1247 1906, pp. 179 "Eudo the king's
brother", 270 "Eudo son of R. the king's brother", 314 "Eudo the
king's brother". C.C.R., 1237-1242 1911, pp. 73 "Eudoni fratri
regis", 386-387 "Eudonis fratris regis", 387 "Ivonis fratris
domini regis", 532 "Eudonis fratris nostri". Cal. Liberate Rolls 1
1916, pg. 263. N. Denholm-Young, Richard of Cornwall 1947, pp.
41,112. P.L. Hull, Cartulary of Launceston Priory Devon And Cornwall
Rec. Soc., n.s., vol. 30 1987 12 "Yvo brother of the earl"
[Richard, Earl of Cornwall].

vi. BARTHOLOMEW FITZ ROY, clerk, papal chaplain, member of the order
of Friars Preachers, living Aug. 1254. Papal Registers: Letters 1
1893: 281,286,305.

vii. MAUD FITZ ROY, nun, elected Abbess of Barking 5 Aug. 1247; died
shortly before 6 Feb. 1252. Sir William Dugdale, Monasticon
Anglicanum 1 1817: 437,441 "Dame Maud la file le Roy John". VCH
Essex 2 1907: 120.

Alleged illegitimate child of John of England, by an unknown mistress,
_____:

i. ISABEL FITZ ROY, married RICHard FITZ IVES, Knt., lord of Degembris
in Newlyn East, Cornwall. They had two sons, William Fitz Richard,
Knt. of Degembris and Penhallow [both in Newlyn East], Lanisley in
Gulival, and Rosneython and Trenoweth-Chammon [both in St. Keverne]
and Richard Fitz Richard clerk, and one daughter, Isabel wife of
Belyn Hellegan, Knt.. He gave tithes in Gruguth in St. Keverne,
Cornwall. SIR RICHard FITZ IVES allegedly died in 1207. Modern
descendants not traced. Herald and Genealogist 7 1873: 229-231
Isabel styled "filie Regis Joh'is". Sir John Maclean, Parochial and
Family Hist. of the Deanery of Trigg Minor 1 1876: 317. J.L.
Vivian, Visitations of Cornwall 1887, pg. 30. G.D. Stawell, A
Quantock Family: The Stawells of Cothelstone and their Descendants
1910, pp. 44-45. J.H. Rowe, Cornwall Feet of Fines 1 1914:
17,49,54-55,58-59,91-92,171,438-440. C.R.R. 11 1955, pg. 473; 12
1957: 189. NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102. C.R.R. 18 1999: 362-363.
Harleian MS. 4031, ff. 76b,81.

Possible illegitimate child of John of England, by an unknown
mistress, _____:

i. PHILIP FITZ ROY possible child. In 1263 he and his wife, Lavina,
conveyed lands at Bignor, Pebmarsh, and Petworth, Surrey to Henry Fitz
[le] Roy, perhaps their son. L.F. Salzman, Abstract of Feet of Fines
Relating to the County of Sussex Sussex Rec. Soc., vol. 7 1908,
pg. 45 "Ph[illip]um Fiz Le Rey" [i.e., Philip the king's son] cf.
W. Hudson, Three Earliest Subsidies for the County of Sussex in the
Years 1296,1327,1332 Sussex Rec. Soc., vol. 19 1910, pp. 73,95
references to "Henr[icus] fyz le Rey" on 1296 Sussex subsidy.

The following is a list of eleven bastard children of King John of
England which I've assembled from a variety of sources. If anyone has
any additions or corrections to this material, please let me know.
The first two children listed, Richard Fitz Roy or de Warenne, Baron
of Chilham, Kent, and Joan, wife of Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of
North Wales, have many modern descendants.

Although sometimes questioned, I accept Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz
Ives, Knt., as a bastard daughter of King John. Isabel appears to
have modern descendants. Besides Isabel, I've also included a new
bastard child for King John not commonly found on such lists, namely
Maud Fitz Roy, Abbess of Barking, whose identity is proven by the
sources cited below.

Sidney Painter, King John's historian, says of him: ".... cruel,
lecherous, and deceitful." Surely the number of illegitimate children
listed below for King John proves the lecherous part.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com

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BASTARD CHILDREN Of KING JOHN Of England

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, _____ de
Warenne:

i. RICHard FITZ ROY or DE Warrenne, Knt., Baron of Chilham, Kent,
married ROSE DE DOVER [see ATHOLL 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Clemence _____:

i. JOAN Of England, married Llywelyn AP IORWERTH, Prince of North
Wales [see Wake 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Hawise _____:

i. OLIVER FITZ ROY. He defended Wolvesey Castle for Peter des Roches,
Bishop of Winchester, in 1216. In 1217 he was granted the lands
formerly held by Peter Fitz Herbert to sustain him in the king';s
service. In 1218 he arrived with other English knights at Damietta in
the company of Papal legate, Pelayo. He did not return. H.R. Luard,
Chronica Majora 3 1876: 40-41. C.P.R., 1216-1225 1901, pp.
42-43,92. S. Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp. 232-233. NEHGR
119 1965: 94-102. J.M. Powell, Anatomy of a Crusade 1986, pg.
235. N. Vincent, Peter des Roches 1996, pp. 71,175.

Illegitimate children of John of England, by an unknown mistress or
mistresses:

i. ISABEL FITZ ROY, married RICHard FITZ IVES, Knt., lord of Degembris
in Newlyn East, Cornwall. They had two sons, William Fitz Richard,
Knt. of Degembris and Penhallow [both in Newlyn East], Lanisley, and
Rosneython [in St. Keverne] and Richard Fitz Richard clerk, and one
daughter, Isabel wife of Belyn Hellegan, Knt.. He gave tithes in
Gruguth in St. Keverne, Cornwall. SIR RICHard FITZ IVES died in
1207. Modern descendants not traced in this book. Herald and
Genealogist 7 1873: 229-231. Sir John Maclean, Parochial and Family
Hist. of the Deanery of Trigg Minor 1 1876: 317. J.L. Vivian,
Visitations of Cornwall 1887, pg. 30. J.H. Rowe, Cornwall Feet of
Fines 1 1914: 17,49,54-55,58-59,91-92,171,438-440. NEHGR 119
1965: 94-102. Harleian MS. 4031, ff. 76b,81 not seen.

ii. JOHN FITZ ROY, evidently a clerk, supported by the custodians of
the see of Lincoln in 1201. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1201 Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 14 1936, pp.
xix,192-193. S. Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp. 232-233.
NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102.

iii. GEOFFREY FITZ ROY. In 1204 he received a loan by the pledge of
William Longesp©be, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes. In 1205 he
led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. Curia Regis
Rolls 3 1926: 321 suit dated 1205: "... quam diu predictus Radulfus
[de Trublevill] fuerit in servicio nostro in Pictavia cum Gaufrido
filio nostro". D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe Michaelmas 1204
Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 18 1940, pp.
xxxv-xxxvj,xlj,33,60,87,131. D.M. Stenton Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1205 Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 19 1941, pp.
xviij-xix,19,79-80. S. Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp.
232-233. NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102.

iv. HENRY FITZ ROY, Knt., of Waltham, Ashby, Brigsley, Gonerby in
Hatcliffe, Hawerby, and North Coates, co. Lincoln, and Chilham, Kent.
He was sent as a student to the Prior of Kenilworth in 1207. In 1215
he was granted the lands of Robert Fitz Walter in Cornwall. In 1217
he and Ralph de Raleigh were granted the manor of Waltham, co. Lincoln
to sustain them in royal service. In 1231 he was granted all of the
land of Henry de la Vaugoz, a Norman, in the soke of Waltham, co.
Lincoln. He married before 1236 EVE DE WHITCHURCH, widow of William
de Champernoun living 1230, of Umberleigh in Atherington and High
Bickington, Devon, and daughter and heiress of Reynold de Whitchurch,
of Shrivenham and Winterbourne in Chieveley, co. Berks, by his 1st
wife, Alice, daughter and co-heiress of Nicholas de Bolney. They had
no issue. SIR HENRY FITZ ROY died shortly before 8 Apr. 1245. His
widow, Eve, married 3rd before 30 June 1252 Giles de Clifford
living 1276. C.Ch.R. 1 1895: 137. J.L. Vivian, Visitations of
the County of Devon 1895, pp. 160. Book of Fees 1: 362,617; 2
1923: 660,675,1021. C.P.R., 1232-1247 1906, pp. 20,296,450.
C.C.R., 1237-1242 1911, pg. 511. VCH Berkshire 4 1924: 63,533.
C.C.R., 1251-1253 1927, pg. 116. S. Painter, Reign of King John
1949, pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102. C.P. 12 Pt. 2 1959:
645 sub Wilington. Curia Regis Rolls 13 1959: 514; 15 1972:
83,449. S.D. Church, Household Knights of King John 1999, pg. 127.

v. OSBERT GIFFORD. In 1215 he received the lands of Thomas de Ardern
in Oxfordshire. In 1216 he likewise received Ardern's lands in
Norfolk, Suffolk, and Sussex. In 1216 he and his wife received safe
conduct to confer with King John. His subsequent history is unknown.
Ancestor 3 1902: 227 his arms: Ermine, 2 bars gules, a chief gules
with a leopard or in chief. Genealogist n.s. 28 1922: 128-129. S.
Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 1965:
94-102.

vi. EUDES FITZ ROY, of Canewdon, Essex. In 1233 he was granted lands
in Aldbury, co. Hertford. He had an exchequer fee iof Ð20 granted to
him in 1237. In 1240 he joined his half-brother, Richard, Earl of
Cornwall on a crusade to the Holy Land. EUDES FITZ ROY died there
testate shortly before 21 Jan. 12412. His lands in Essex were
granted to Giles de Chanceaus in 1242. No known descendants. G.
Oliver, Monasticon Diocesis Exonienses 1846, pg. 23. C.C.R.,
1231-1234 1905, pg. 210. C.P.R., 1232-1247 1906, pp. 179,270,314.
C.C.R., 1237-1242 1911, pp. 387,532. Cal. Liberate Rolls 1 1916,
pg. 263. N. Denholm-Young, Richard of Cornwall 1947, pp. 41,112.

vii. BARTHOLOMEW FITZ ROY, clerk, papal chaplain, member of the order
of Friars Preachers, living Aug. 1254. Papal Registers: Letters 1
1893: 281,286,305.

viii. MAUD FITZ ROY, nun, elected Abbess of Barking 5 Aug. 1247; died
shortly before 6 Feb. 1252. Sir William Dugdale, Monasticon
Anglicanum 1 1817: 437,441. VCH Essex 2 1907: 120.

Signed Magna Carta in 1215

The statement in the legitimization of Joan, daughter of king
John and wife of prince Llywelyn, that each of her parents were
unmarried at the time of her birth, does not imply she was born
prior to John's first marriage, to Isabelle de Clare in 1189.
This marriage had been annulled by the time of Joan's
legitimization, and would have been considered by the clerics
not to have occurred.

It might be that the legitimization does imply that, by the
time of John's second marriage, to Isabelle of Angouleme, that
Joan's mother was either dead or had become a nun, otherwise the
legitimacy of king Henry III might have been called into
question.

It might also be that the reference in Joan's obituary to her
mother as "queen Clementia" implies that Clemence, mother of
Joan, did not die or become a nun until after John's accession.

I suspect that in the minds of the monks and clerics who
recorded things, these annulments and legitimizations created a
virtual world in which annulled real world marriages did not
exist, and appropriate legitimizing marriages did exist, with
all appropriate side effect implications, including Clemence
having been queen..

- Paul K. Davis - paulkdavis@earthlink.net

King John had illegitimate children over the entire course of
his adult life. He was a very busy man in the bedroom. One of his
older bastard sons, Geoffrey, received a loan by the pledge of William
Longesp©be, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes in 1204. In 1205 he
led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. King John
likewise had another illegitimate daughter, Joan, who married before
23 Mar. 12045 Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of North Wales.
Consequently, it is possible that King John was the father of Isabel,
wife of Richard Fitz Ives, who allegedly died in 1207. By the way, I
have reason to suppose that Isabel survived Richard Fitz Ives for many
years and remarried.

Second, Isabel de Beaupre is not the same person as King John's
bastard daughter, Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz Ives. As best I can
tell, Isabel de Beaupre is a later day descendant and the senior
heiress of the Fitz Ives family. I didn't mean to imply that the two
Isabel's were the same person.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah[Europe_New.FTW]

[royalfam.ged]

Please find below a revised listing of the bastard children of King
John. The list has been augmented by many new references,
corrections, and additions since my last posting of this listing. The
new listing includes Philip "Fiz Le Rey" [i.e., Philip the king's
son] found in a 1263 Sussex fine as a possible bastard child of King
John.

Also, it appears there may be a link between Isabel, wife of Richard
Fitz Ives, and another royal bastard, Eudes Fitz Roy. I've learned
that in 1245, Isabel's son and heir, William Fitz Ives, sued Giles de
Chanceaux regarding property in Cornwall. This is surely the same man
who was granted Eudes Fitz Roy's properties in Essex on his death
without issue in 1242. The Fitz Ives and Chanceaux link deserves
further study.

Comments are invited.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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REVISED LISTING Of BASTARD CHILDREN Of KING JOHN Of England:

Legitimated child of John of England, by a mistress, Clemence _____:

i. JOAN Of England, married Llywelyn AP IORWERTH, Prince of North
Wales [see Wake 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, _____ de
Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey, by Isabel, daughter
and heiress of William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey [see Warrenne 2]:

i. RICHard FITZ ROY or DE Warrenne, Knt., Baron of Chilham, Kent,
married ROSE DE DOVER [see ATHOLL 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Hawise _____:

i. OLIVER FITZ ROY. He defended Wolvesey Castle for Peter des Roches,
Bishop of Winchester, in 1216. In 1217 he was granted the lands
formerly held by Peter Fitz Herbert to sustain him in the king's
service. In 1218 he arrived with other English knights at Damietta in
the company of Papal legate, Pelayo. He did not return. H.R. Luard,
Chronica Majora 3 1876: 40-41. C.P.R., 1216-1225 1901, pp.
42-43,92. S. Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp. 232-233. NEHGR
119 1965: 94-102. J.M. Powell, Anatomy of a Crusade 1986, pg.
235. N. Vincent, Peter des Roches 1996, pp. 71,175.

Illegitimate children of John of England, by an unknown mistress or
mistresses:

i. JOHN FITZ ROY, evidently a clerk, supported by the custodians of
the see of Lincoln in 1201. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1201 Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 14 1936, pp.
xix,192-193. S. Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp. 232-233.
NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102.

ii. GEOFFREY FITZ ROY. In 1204 he received a loan by the pledge of
William Longesp©be, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes. In 1205 he
led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. Curia Regis
Rolls 3 1926: 321 suit dated 1205: " ... quam diu predictus
Radulfus [de Trublevill] fuerit in servicio nostro in Pictavia cum
Gaufrido filio nostro". D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1204 Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 18 1940, pp.
xxxv-xxxvj,xlj,33,60,87,131. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1205 Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 19 1941, pp.
xviij-xix,19,79-80. S. Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp.
232-233. NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102.

iii. HENRY FITZ ROY, Knt., of Waltham, Ashby, Brigsley, Gonerby in
Hatcliffe, Hawerby, and North Coates, co. Lincoln, and Chilham, Kent.
He was sent as a student to the Prior of Kenilworth in 1207. In 1215
he was granted the lands of Robert Fitz Walter in Cornwall. In 1217
he and Ralph de Raleigh were granted the manor of Waltham, co. Lincoln
formerly held by Alan Fitz Count to sustain them in royal service. In
1231 he was granted all of the land of Henry de Avaugor, a Norman, in
Waltham, co. Lincoln. He married before 1236 EVE DE BLANCHMINSTER or
WHITCHURCH, widow of William de Champernoun living 1230, of
Umberleigh in Atherington and High Bickington, Devon, and daughter
and heiress of Reynold de Blanchminster or Whitchurch living 1248,
of Shrivenham and Winterbourne in Chieveley, co. Berks, and Bolney,
co. Oxford, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter and co-heiress of
Nicholas de Bolney. They had no issue. SIR HENRY FITZ ROY died
shortly before 8 Apr. 1245. His widow, Eve, married 3rd before 30
June 1252 Giles de Clifford living 1276. C.Ch.R. 1 1895: 137
styled "Henry the king's brother". J.L. Vivian, Visitations of the
County of Devon 1895, pp. 160. C.P.R., 1216-1225 1901, pp. 128,
574 "Henricus filius regis". C.C.R., 1227-1231 1902, pg. 51.
C.P.R., 1225-1232 1903, pp. 311 "Henricus frater regis", 357,441.
C.C.R., 1234-1237 1908, pg. 219 "Henrico fratri regis". Book of
Fees 1 1920: 362 "Henricus frater regis", 617 "Henricus filius
regis"; 2 1923: 660,675,1021 instances of "Henricus filius
Regis". C.P.R., 1232-1247 1906, pp. 20,296,450. C.C.R., 1237-1242
1911, pg. 511 "Henricum filium regis". VCH Berkshire 3 19??:
424; 4 1924: 63,513,533. C.C.R., 1251-1253 1927, pg. 116. S.
Painter, Reign of King John 1949, pp. 232-233. C.P. 12 Pt. 2
1959: 645 sub Wilington. Curia Regis Rolls 13 1959: 138,215,283
"Henricus filius regis John", 290,364-365,371,514,542; 15 1972:
83,449 styled "Henricum filium le Rey". R.A. Brown, Memoranda Roll
for the Tenth Year of the Reign of King John 1207-8 Pipe Roll Soc.,
n.s., vol. 31 1957, pg. 137 Henry called "our son" [filio nostro]
by King John. NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102. B.R. Kemp, Reading Abbey
Cartularies 1 Camden, 4th ser., vol. 31 1986: 375. S.D. Church,
Household Knights of King John 1999, pg. 127.

iv. OSBERT GIFFORD, Knt. In 1215 he received the lands of Thomas de
Ardern in Oxfordshire. In 1216 he likewise received Ardern's lands in
Bundes, Norfolk, and elsewhere in Suffolk, Essex, and Sussex, and the
lands of Aumary Despenser, Roger Fitz Nicholas, and Ralph Bluet in
Oxfordshire. SIR OSBERT GIFFORD died in 1248. Ancestor 3 1902: 227
his arms: Ermine two bars gules, on a chief gules a leopard or.
Genealogist n.s. 28 1922: 128-129. S. Painter, Reign of King John
1949, pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102. T.D. Tremlett, Rolls
of Arms Henry III Harleian Soc. Pub., vols. 113-114 1967, pg. 47.

v. EUDES or IVES FITZ ROY, of Canewdon, Essex. In 1233 he was
granted lands in Aldbury, co. Hertford. He had an exchequer fee of
Ð20 granted to him in 1237. In the period, c. 122741, he witnessed a
charter for his brother, Richard, Earl of Cornwall, to Launceston
Priory in Cornwall. In 1240 he joined Earl Richard on a crusade to
the Holy Land. EUDES FITZ ROY died there testate shortly before 21
Jan. 12412. His lands in Essex were granted to Giles de Chanceaux in
1242. No known descendants. G. Oliver, Monasticon Diocesis
Exonienses 1846, pg. 23. C.C.R., 1231-1234 1905, pg. 210 "Eudoni
filio regis". C.P.R., 1232-1247 1906, pp. 179 "Eudo the king's
brother", 270 "Eudo son of R. the king's brother", 314 "Eudo the
king's brother". C.C.R., 1237-1242 1911, pp. 73 "Eudoni fratri
regis", 386-387 "Eudonis fratris regis", 387 "Ivonis fratris
domini regis", 532 "Eudonis fratris nostri". Cal. Liberate Rolls 1
1916, pg. 263. N. Denholm-Young, Richard of Cornwall 1947, pp.
41,112. P.L. Hull, Cartulary of Launceston Priory Devon And Cornwall
Rec. Soc., n.s., vol. 30 1987 12 "Yvo brother of the earl"
[Richard, Earl of Cornwall].

vi. BARTHOLOMEW FITZ ROY, clerk, papal chaplain, member of the order
of Friars Preachers, living Aug. 1254. Papal Registers: Letters 1
1893: 281,286,305.

vii. MAUD FITZ ROY, nun, elected Abbess of Barking 5 Aug. 1247; died
shortly before 6 Feb. 1252. Sir William Dugdale, Monasticon
Anglicanum 1 1817: 437,441 "Dame Maud la file le Roy John". VCH
Essex 2 1907: 120.

Alleged illegitimate child of John of England, by an unknown mistress,
_____:

i. ISABEL FITZ ROY, married RICHard FITZ IVES, Knt., lord of Degembris
in Newlyn East, Cornwall. They had two sons, William Fitz Richard,
Knt. of Degembris and Penhallow [both in Newlyn East], Lanisley in
Gulival, and Rosneython and Trenoweth-Chammon [both in St. Keverne]
and Richard Fitz Richard clerk, and one daughter, Isabel wife of
Belyn Hellegan, Knt.. He gave tithes in Gruguth in St. Keverne,
Cornwall. SIR RICHard FITZ IVES allegedly died in 1207. Modern
descendants not traced. Herald and Genealogist 7 1873: 229-231
Isabel styled "filie Regis Joh'is". Sir John Maclean, Parochial and
Family Hist. of the Deanery of Trigg Minor 1 1876: 317. J.L.
Vivian, Visitations of Cornwall 1887, pg. 30. G.D. Stawell, A
Quantock Family: The Stawells of Cothelstone and their Descendants
1910, pp. 44-45. J.H. Rowe, Cornwall Feet of Fines 1 1914:
17,49,54-55,58-59,91-92,171,438-440. C.R.R. 11 1955, pg. 473; 12
1957: 189. NEHGR 119 1965: 94-102. C.R.R. 18 1999: 362-363.
Harleian MS. 4031, ff. 76b,81.

Possible illegitimate child of John of England, by an unknown
mistress, _____:

i. PHILIP FITZ ROY possible child. In 1263 he and his wife, Lavina,
conveyed lands at Bignor, Pebmarsh, and Petworth, Surrey to Henry Fitz
[le] Roy, perhaps their son. L.F. Salzman, Abstract of Feet of Fines
Relating to the County of Sussex Sussex Rec. Soc., vol. 7 1908,
pg. 45 "Ph[illip]um Fiz Le Rey" [i.e., Philip the king's son] cf.
W. Hudson, Three Earliest Subsidies for the County of Sussex in the
Years 1296,1327,1332 Sussex Rec. Soc., vol. 19 1910, pp. 73,95
references to "Henr[icus] fyz le Rey" on 1296 Sussex subsidy.

The following is a list of eleven bastard children of King John of
England which I've assembled from a variety of sources. If anyone has
any additions or corrections to this material, please let me know.
The first two children listed, Richard Fitz Roy or de Warenne, Baron
of Chilham, Kent, and Joan, wife of Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of
North Wales, have many modern descendants.

Although sometimes questioned, I accept Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz
Ives, Knt., as a bastard daughter of King John. Isabel appears to
have modern descendants. Besides Isabel, I've also included a new
bastard child for King John not commonly found on such lists, namely
Maud Fitz Roy, Abbess of Barking, whose identity is proven by the
sources cited below.

Sidney Painter, King John's historian, says of him: ".... cruel,
lecherous, and deceitful." Surely the number of illegitimate children
listed below for King John proves the lecherous part.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com

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BASTARD CHILDREN Of KING JOHN Of England

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, _____ de
Warenne:

i. RICHard FITZ ROY or DE Warrenne, Knt., Baron of Chilham, Kent,
married ROSE DE DOVER [see ATHOLL 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Clemence _____:

i. JOAN Of England, married Llywelyn AP IORWERTH, Prince of North
Wales [see Wake 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Hawise _____:

i. OLIVER FITZ ROY. He defended Wolvesey Castle for Peter des Roches,
Bishop of Winchester, in 1216. In 1217 he was granted the lands
formerly held by Peter Fitz Herbert to sustain him in the king';s
service. In 1218 he arrived with other English knights at Damietta in
the company of Papal legate, P

  Noted events in his life were:

• Record Change, 16 Dec 2002. ^2,3,5

John married Miss Margaret Plantagenet, daughter of Hamelin Plantagenet and Isabel De Warenne, in Kings Manor House, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England ².^,3 (Miss Margaret Plantagenet was born in 1170 in Surrey, England ^2,3.)

John next married Hawisa Fitzwaren, daughter of Fulk Ii Fitzwaren and Hawise De Dinan, in Unmarried ².^,3 (Hawisa Fitzwaren was born about 1167 in England ^2,3.)

John next married Mrs-John Concubine Of England in Unmarried ².^,3 (Mrs-John Concubine Of England was born about 1164 in Lincolnshire, England ^2,3.)

John next married Matilda Gifford in Unmarried ².^,3 (Matilda Gifford was born about 1185 in England ^2,3.)

John next married Agatha De Ferrers, daughter of William De Ferrers and Sybil De Braose, in Unmarried ².^,3 (Agatha De Ferrers was born about 1168 in Charltey, Staffordshire, England ^2,3.)

John next married Isabella De Taillefer, daughter of Aymer De Taillefer and Alice De Courtenay, on 26 Aug 1200 in Bordeaux, Gironde, Aquitaine, France ^2,3.^,5 (Isabella De Taillefer was born about 1180 in Angoulême, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France,^2,3,5 died on 31 May 1245 in Fontevrault, Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France ^2,3,5 and was buried in Fontevrault, Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France ^2,3,5.)

John next married Miss De Warrene in Unmarried ².^,3 (Miss De Warrene was born about 1166 in England ^2,3.)

John next married Concubine of England Mrs-John in Unmarried ².^,3 (Concubine of England Mrs-John was born about 1168 in England ^2,3.)

John next married Clementia.