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From: royalancestry@msn.com Douglas Richardson

A few days ago, I posted a list of the known illegitimate children of
Edward IV, King of England died 1483. Since posting, I've been
contacted by two newsgroup members each of whom has added a new
potential illegitimate child of King Edward IV. On my own, I've found
additional sources for two of the previously identified illegitimate
children. I've also found a reference to yet another alleged
illegitimate daughter in a late visitation who reputedly married into
the Musgrave family. I haven't included that child in the list below,
as I haven't yet confirmed that such a child and marriage occurred.

If anyone has anything to add to the information below or possesses
any information on a possible illegitimate daughter who married a
Musgrave, please post that information here on the newsgroup or
contact me at my e-mail address below.

Many thanks to Peter Sutton and James Trabue for sharing their
information with me.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com

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List of Illegitimate Children of King Edward IV

Illegitimate child of Edward IV of England, by an unknown mistress,
possibly Elizabeth Lucy:

i. ELIZABETH Plantagenet, married before 1477 THOMAS Lumley, Knt., son
and heir apparent of George Lumley, Knt., Lord Lumley, by Elizabeth,
daughter and heiress of Roger Thornton, Esq. They had four sons,
Richard [Lord Lumley], John, George, and Roger, Esq., and three
daughters, Anne wife of Robert Ogle, 4th Lord Ogle, Sibyl wife of
William Hilton, Knt., de jure 9th Lord Hylton, and Elizabeth wife of
Robert Cresswell, Esq.. SIR THOMAS Lumley was living 27 Oct. 1495,
and died prior to 1507. Descendants not traced. [Note: Additional
evidence of Elizabeth's parentage may be seen in the papal
dispensation granted in 1489 for Elizabeth's son, Richard Lumley, to
marry Anne Conyers, they being related in the [3rd and] 4th degree of
kindred. A dispensation was needed for this marriage, as the two
parties were both descended from Ralph Neville, K.G., 1st Earl of
Westmorland, and his wife, Joan Beaufort see Testamenta Eboracensia 3
Surtees Soc., vol. 45 1865: 355]. Collins-Brydges, Peerage of
England 3 1812: 703 citing MS. E. 6, f. 5, b. in Offic. Arm.. R.
Surtees, Hist. And Antiq. of the County Palatine of Durham 2 1820: 139
Lumley monument in Chester-le-Street, co. Durham church: " ... inde
pater efficitur illius Thomae qui ex magni Regis Edovardi quarti filia
naturali, Richardum susceperat ...", 140 monumental inscription at
Chester-le-Street: "Sir Thomas Lumley, Knight, sonne of George Lord
Lumley, maried Elizabeth, daughter naturel to Kinge Edwarde the
fourth, and he died in the life of his father, and had issue Richard
Lord Lumley" Elizabeth's arms: 1. France and England; 2. a plain
cross of Ulster; 3. as 2; 4. barry of six, on a chief three pallets,
between two esquires' bastions, dexter and sinister, an inescutcheon
Argent, Mortimer, over all a bar sinister, 162-164 Lumley chart.
Surtees Soc. 41 1862: 27 1530 Vis. Durham Lumley pedigree:
"Thomas Lumley, son and heyre to George, maried Elisabeth, bastard
doughter to Kyng Edward the iiijth". R. Surtees, Hist. And Antiq. of
the County Palatine of Durham 2 1820: 163-164. H.S.P. 16 1881:
189-190 15634 Vis. Yorkshire Lumley pedigree: "Thomas Lord Lomley
son And heyr to George = Elsabeth bastard doughter to Kyng Edward the
Fourth". J. Foster, Pedigrees Recorded at the Visitations of the
County Palatine of Durham 1887, pg. 216 Lumley pedigree: "Thomas
Lumley, son and heire = Elizabeth, bastard dau. of Edward IV". C.P.
7 1929: 30 sub Hylton; 8 1932: 274 sub Lumley; 10 1945:
33-34. TAG 50 1974: 81-86. M.S. Byrne, The Lisle Letters 1981
[citing Harleian MS. 4033, f. 21 23 v; Leland's Itinerary VI, f.
63]. Chris Given-Wilson And A. Curteis, Royal Bastards of Medieval
England 1984, pp. 160-161,179.

Illegitimate child of Edward IV of England, by a mistress, Elizabeth
Wayte:

i. ARTHUR Plantagenet otherwise ARTHUR WAYTE, K.G., King’s
Spear, Esquire of the Body, Sheriff of Hampshire, Vice-Admiral of
England, Trier of Petitions in Parliament, Governor of Calais, Warden
of the Cinque Ports, Privy Councillor, born say 1475 presumed to be
“my Lord the Bastard” mentioned in an Exchequer account
dated 1477, first occurs as an adult in 1501. He married 1st 12
Nov. 1511 ELIZABETH Grey, suo jure Baroness Lisle, widow of Edmund
Dudley, Esq. beheaded 18 Aug. 1510, and daughter and heiress of
Edward Grey, Knt., Viscount Lisle, by his 1st wife, Elizabeth,
daughter of John Talbot, Knt., Viscount Lisle. They had three
daughters, Frances wife of John Basset and Thomas Monke, Elizabeth
wife of Francis Jobson, Knt, and Bridget wife of William Carden,
Knt.. In 1514 he was captain of the Vice-Admiral's ship "Trinity
Sovereign." He attended the King at the Field of Cloth of Gold in
1520. In consequence of his marriage, he was created 25 Apr. 1523
Viscount Lisle. In 1528 he purchased the manors of Segenworth, Chark,
Lee, Sutton, West Stratton, etc., Hampshire from his cousin, John
Wayte, Esq., of Titchfield. Arthur married 2nd in 1529 Honor
Grenville, widow of John Basset, Knt. died 31 Jan. 15229, and
daughter of Thomas Grenville, Knt., by his 1st wife, Isabel, daughter
of Otes Gilbert, Knt. They had no issue. He was imprisoned in the
Tower of London on suspicion of treason 19 May 1540. SIR ARTHUR
Plantagenet, Viscount Lisle, died there 3 Mar. 15412. His widow,
Honor, was buried at Logan, Cornwall 30 Apr. 1566. Modern descendants
not traced. J. Burke, General And Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerages
... Extinct, Dormant, and in Abeyance 1831, pp. 433,513-514. G.F.
Beltz, Memorials of the Most Noble Order of the Garter 1841, pg.
clxxii. H.S.P. 2 1870: 74-75 1619 Vis. Leicester Gray pedigree:
"Elizab. [Gray] Nupta Edm. Dudley postea Arthur Plantagenet"; 16
1881: 308-310 15634 Vis. Yorkshire Talbot pedigree: "Elsabeth
[Talbot] doughter And sole heyre [1] = Edmond Dudley on of the Prevy
Consell to Kyng Henry 7th., [2]= Arthur Plantagenet bastard son to
Edward IV. 2 husband". J.L. Vivian, Visitations of the County of
Devon 1895, pp. 46-47,569. D.N.B. 15 1909: 1285-1287 biog. of
Arthur Plantagenet. List of Early Chan. Proc. 5 1912:
288,358,465,472.473; 6 1922: 109,134. C.L. Scofield, Life and Reign
of Edward the Fourth 2 1923: 56,161. C.P. 8 1932: 63-68 sub
Lisle. Cal. of Ancient Deeds - Series B Pt. 3 List And Index Soc.,
vol. 113 1975: B.10780, B.12180. Ancient Deeds Series BB List &
Index Soc., vol. 137 1977, pp. 80-81,83,90. M.S. Byrne, The Lisle
Letters 2 1981: 63 Arthur Plantagenet styled "cousin" by Margaret
Pole, Countess of Salisbury; 1 1981: 481, 4{1981: 140 instances
of Henry Pole, Lord Montagu, styled "cousin" to Arthur Plantagenet.
Exchequer Ancient Deeds - DD Series List And Index Soc., vol. 200
1983, pp. 193,207. C. Given-Wilson And A. Curteis, Royal Bastards of
Medieval England 1984, pp. 158,161-174.

Alleged illegitimate children of Edward IV of England, by an unknown
mistress or mistresses, _____:

i. GRACE Plantagenet, said to be present in 1492 on the funeral barge
of Queen Elizabeth Wydeville, widow of King Edward IV. C. Ross,
Edward IV 1974, pg. 316, foonote 2 citing BM Arundel MS. 26, ff.
29v-30v. C. Given-Wilson And A. Curteis, Royal Bastards of Medieval
England 1984, pp. 158,161-174.

ii. _____ Plantagenet daughter, married as his 1st wife JOHN
Audley or TUCHET, younger son of John Audley or Tuchet, Knt., 6th
Lord Audley, Lord Treasurer of England, by Anne, daughter of Thomas
Echingham, Knt. They had no issue. Collections for a History of
Staffordshire n.s. 12 1909: 229. MS. pedigree of Audley family
dated 1618 on file at the William SaltCollection at the William Salt
Library in Stafford, England. These citations kindly provided by
Peter Sutton.

iii. MarY Plantagenet, married after 1485 as his 2nd wife HENRY
HARMAN, of Ellam in Crayford, Kent, Clerk of the Crown to King Henry
VII, son of Thomas and Elizabeth Harman. HENRY HARMAN left a will
dated 1501, proved 1502 P.C.C., 15 Blamyr, naming his deceased wife,
Agnes, his living wife, Mary, and eleven children, George, William,
Thomas, Roger, John, Henry, Robert, Elizabeth wife of _____ Sparke,
Alice, Beatrice, and Anne. The maternity of the children is
uncertain, but at least the two youngest sons were by Henry Harman's
last wife, Mary, as indicated by Henry's will. Misc. Gen. et Her. 4th
ser. 2 1908: 227-228 Harman pedigree no identification of wives.
H.S.P. 74 1923: 61-62 1574 Vis. Kent Harman pedigree: "Henry
Harman Clarke of ye Crowne vnto H: 7 ... This man [Henry Harman] was
H: 7 man to whome he gaue the clarkeship of the Crowne and with all
gaue him the Crest belowe*, depick[t]ed one his armes which Crist was
giuen him after hee had maried with E: 4 daughter" The latter
citation kindly supplied by James Trabue.

Below is a list of the illegitimate children of King Edward IV of
England taken from variety of sources. The list includes no new
names, but I've commented on additional evidence which appears to
prove the parentage of Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Lumley. Gary Boyd
Roberts's useful book, RD 500, indicates that there are American
descendants of Elizabeth Lumley.

There seems to be confusion in surviving records between King Edward
IV's mistresses, Dame Elizabeth Lucy and Elizabeth Wayte. I suspect
the two women were separate and distinct individuals. King Edward IV
is alleged to have had issue by Elizabeth Lucy prior to his marriage
to Queen Elizabeth Wydeville in 1464. I presume that issue was King
Edward IV's bastard daughter, Elizabeth Lumley, who married in or
before 1477. Elizabeth Wayte's son, Arthur, on the other hand,
doesn't occur in records as an adult until 1501 and didn't marry until
1511. This suggests a rather wide gap in ages between the two
bastards, Elizabeth Lumley and Arthur Plantagenet. My best guess is
that Elizabeth Lumley was born say 14602 and that Arthur Plantagenet
was born say 1475.

If anyone has any corrections or additions to the list below, I'd
appreciate it if they would post them here on the newsgroup.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com

  Noted events in his life were:

• Record Change, 15 Mar 2003. ^2,3

• Alt. Christening: Cathedrale, Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France. ¹

• Alt. Birth: Rouen, S-Infr, France, 28 Apr 1442. ¹

• Alt. Death: Palace, Westminster, Middlesex, England, 9 Apr 1483. ¹

• Alt. Burial: Stgeorgeschapel, Windsor, Berkshire, England, 18 Apr 1483. ¹

IV married Elizabeth Wydeville, daughter of Richard Wydeville and Jacquette De Jacqueline De Luxembourg, on 1 May 1464 in Grafton Regis, Northamptonshire, England ².^,3 (Elizabeth Wydeville was born in 1437 in Grafton Regis, Northamptonshire, England,¹ died on 8 Jun 1492 in Bermondsey, Surrey, England ¹ and was buried on 12 Jun 1492 in Stgeorgeschapel, Windsor, Berkshire, England ¹.)

IV next married Elizabeth Wayte in Not Married ².^,3

  Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Not Married. ^2,3